Finkelstein dismantles the logic of zionism
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Conversation On Charlie Rose Show
After you have read these conversations below from the Charlie Rose interviewed with PM Netanyahu you will know the real intention of PM Netanyahu in regards to the Palestinian homeland.
I Came, I Saw, I Conquered and I Liked It So Much, I Drove ALL Palestinians to the SEA!
This means Netanyahu Real Intention is to Swallow the whole of Palestine
The petition https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/call-for-support-for-a-palestinian-state.html for a Palestinian State was drafted by me but was corrected by world watcher🙂 He is a Palestinian but I don’t know where he lives now.
REMant 09/27/2011 01:16 PM Report
We’ve ALSO heard all this many times before. He blames everything on the Palestinians. But the Zionists were the invaders and are still on the OT’s “priestly” mission to recover the “Holy Land.” Palestinian statehood should not involve a peace agreement in any way whatsoever. Israel has been holding those ppl hostage for 60+ years, trying to extort “peace.” He wants the Arabs gone or at least helpless, on a reservation like the Indians. He wants racial and spiritual purity. Where have we heard that before? Yet it is commonly heard from Jews in this country, since they can get away with it here. Still THEY think the Arabs are the fundamentalists, the great unwashed, the unassimilable. He believes Jordan and Lebanon should stop complaining and absorb their brethren as if THEY had not been the ones booted out of their homes. Whenever I hear this kind of whining and weaseling I understand why Jews have been derided for centuries and begin to wish Germany had never invaded the Soviets. It has nothing to do with prejudice, or with “antisemitism.” Certainly not mine. Real Christians should be outraged. “I want peace.” That’s a laugh. Peace will never happen his way. After all he wants us to invade Iran as he did Iraq and as the British inveigled America into doing in WWI and WWII, because they are “Islamo-fascists.” He wants poor patriotic Americans sent off to preserve the kind of civilization we’ve just been through a decade of. I trust this nation will never again be that naive. BTW, what happened ON the Turkish vessel is irrelevant; the fact is the Israelis boarded it thus instigating the incident.
DavLev 09/27/2011 01:36 PM Report
I thought Netanyahu gave a credible accounting of his policiesand himself. But for those in the know, he did back off somewhat from his red lines at Bar Ilan Univeristy in 2009, which I believe were not negotiable.
They were: adjustments of borders but not starting with the 67 lines, no division of Jerusalem, a demilitarized Palestine, an army presence on the border with Jordan, no return of refugees, and retention of the Israeli enclaves. By backing off, now he is willing to discuss everything…meaning, Israel will compromise the above, except for the refugees.
Considering at one time he was adamently against 2 states, his entire approach has changed.
But Charlie Rose persisted in reminding him that the Pales also have an emotional tie to the land and hence a state, as he does. Their red lines are absolute, in cement as we are told over and over again. East Jerusalem as their capital, no Jews in Palestine (no settlements), complte control of their land including the air and water, the ability to form an army using any weapons available, the ablity to make treaties with any country, embassies and consulates and military attaches from all over the planet, and of course the movement of up to 5m Muslims from the neighboring Diaspora, to Israel proper….AND, they have also thrown in the ownership of 5,000 buildings previously owned by Arabs prior to the 48 War.
How Netanyahu expects the above to be compromised is frankly beyond me? They never will and he knows it.
One can surmise this is stalling, perhaps? But what are the alternatives? Israel wont give in to all the demands, yet does not want a wider war with, for example, Iran, Syria (when it solves its conflict), and perhaps Egypt and Turkey.
Abbas knows that if he gives in to even one red line, he is finished. Whether Fayyad or Ashwari, no Pals will dare contradict the Arab League. (They work hand in glove).
Abbas is, correctly, playing games..giving his people false and unrealistic hopes, including the Diaspora Palestinians.
I am very pessimistic that the sides will agree to anything, given their failure heretofore to come to acceptable borders, etc.
Netanyahu might be better off simply giving the Pals a timeframe/dealine to settle this 100 year old conflcit, or stop the delusion of negotiations once and for all, annexing some of the West Bank, and leaving the remainder open for future discussions, when the Arabs are ready.
In any case, Iran, Hezbollan and Hamas have already openly and stridently said they wont accept any negotiated agreement between the Pals and Israel.
What the result of this will be is anyones guess?
But as Netanyahu hints about Turkey blasting Israeli vessels out of the sea, don’t tread on me. I think that sums the response in a nutshell.
I believe, tragically I am correct on this one. I live in a part of the country that has more people than all of Israel, in a small area. We have different religious and ethnic groups and basically get along. If the Palestinians really wanted, they could have the same. As I said, if they wanted!
Mr. Rose did present quite eloquently the Pals side of the argument without all the nuances. It will be most interesting to see if he does similarly when he interviews Mr. Abbas, that is, give Netanyahu side, which at the MOMENT is in agreement with the middle right in Israel.
ShalomFreedman 09/27/2011 02:12 PM Report
Prime Minister Netanyahu reveals the bluff behind Palestinian Arab U.N. state request i.e. They want a state not to make peace with Israel but rather to further their campaign to delegitimize and destroy Israel. He indicates an immediate readiness to negotiate for Peace without prior conditions.He is extremely well- informed not only about Israel’s situation but about global realities. He is the number one expert on the question of Israel’s security and here he explains conditions required for true peace. He explains the character of the Iranian nuclear threat. He also speaks with passion about the miracle of the creation and development of the state of Israel.
JohnGelles 09/27/2011 02:21 PM Report
One can say that we have today two nations, Palestine and Israel, living side by side, not in peace and not at war to the maximum degree possible.
Netanyahu and Obama are cooperating enough — and a final true-peace may be found if we are patient for many more decades.
The Arab Spring and de-nuclear-weapon-ization of Iran will be far more important than the claims of the two hostile nations who may or may not pursue actual negotiations.
REMant, as usual, is on the wrong side with the wrong opinions. America and Israel are democracies and on the right side of history. Muslims have elected to be enemies of every great nation on earth. Like the Nazis in the 20th Century they would rather be at war with all the democratic powers (and even others) than at peace.
Christian and Jewish Zionists remain attractive enough to each other to make peace eventually possible. I’m with them.
worldwatcher 09/27/2011 06:35 PM Report
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU’S VERBAL DUPLICITY
Most Western whites, because of their white identification with white Jews, do not know how to verbally read between the lines and political *code words/phrases/terminology* — words that otherwise pass for common words (like “A/The Jewish State”, words/phrases/terminology that have a highly specific *ideological*, *political* and *legal* meaning) — in Netanyahu’s/Israel’s glib, duplicitious, disengenuous statements.
(As Malcolm X once said, “Colonialism[especially, settler-colonialism] is the perpetration that tries to make the wolf look like the lamb, and the lamb look like the wolf.”
And, indeed, Zionist Jews try to make the *native* people of Palestine, the *Palestinians*, whose ancestors have lived there continuously, look like the foreign invading population — and try to make the invading European/Western Jews, because their ancient *religious* ancestors lived there 2,000 years ago, look like the *native* people. And the ancient Hebrews weren’t even the first people in Palestine.)
As long as Israel enjoys overwhelming military, economic, political and Western media advantage, Israel (or this prime minister, Netanyahu, as with Ariel Sharon, or all those before him) will never seriously negotiate with the Palestinian people’s leadership — until there is some tectonic change, or a series of tectonic changes, in Mideast geopolitics, especially from U.S.-supported &/or paid-off dictatorships that support/ed Israel, like, formerly, Egypt’s Mubarak.
(Ironically, Israel itself may have produced one possible tectonic change, and shot itself in the political foot, thinking that, as usual, Israel can get away with almost anything it wants too, with it’s rich Uncle Sam’s backing, when Israeli soldiers ham-handedly, but premeditatedly, murdered some 11 Turkish citizens [people the Israeli news calls “terrorists”] on the Gaza humanitarian relief flotilla on the high seas — a relief flotilla containing, on other flotilla boats, many anti-Zionist Jews highly critical of Israel — where, once again, Israel makes itself look like the lamb, and tries to make others, here the relief humanitarians, look like the wolves.)
In the meantime, in the European West, Israeli/Zionist Jews will be the masters of smooth PR (public relations) lines: “Israel wants peace” (actually a piece of every country around Israel) and “The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”, when (in my take-off on one of Israel’s constantly repeated PR lines, it’s actually that, “*Israel* will never *miss* an opportunity to *destroy* an opportunity”, for not only peace, but especially anything at all amounting to true justice. (Btw, Hitler also said that he wanted “peace” — just under his *domination*.)
In fact, it’s *ILLEGAL* — it’s a *crime* — with *criminal* penalties — for any Israeli politician to call for absolutely true national, political, legal, and social equality in Israel, regardless of race, ethnicity or religion: what Jews demand in any other country, especially in the European West. In Israel/Palestine, Zionists demand *Jewish* [instead of Christian] white-supremacy.
Yet, many Israeli Jews have the nerve to ask, “Where is the Palestinian ‘Gandhi’ or the Palestinian ‘Martin Luther King’?” But, I wonder, where is the *Jewish* ‘Gandhi’ or the *Jewish* ‘Martin Luther King’?
But, political Zionism is a morally repugnant, _RACIST_ ideology, ultimately every bit as morally repugnant and as racist — if not quite, practically, to the exact degree (everything but the gas chambers themsevles) as Nazism — with otherwise essentially the same racist and ethnic eliminating/cleansing goals as Nazism (see online, 20 Parallels Between Zionism and Nazism): the elimination of a constructed-”despised”, unwanted people — this time, the Palestinian people. Many Israeli Jews, even Israeli politicians, openly call for the complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people from historic Palestine, as is happening in Jerusalem itself. And, this time ultimately the continuous and systematic replacement of that “despised”, unwanted people (the Palestinians) with a foreign population (largely European/Western Jews): the once brutally oppressed (Eastern European Jews) since become the new brutal oppressors for well over half a century now. Or, effectively, ‘After Hitler, *our* turn.’
Those relatively few Israeli and Western Jews highly and morally critical of Israel and political Zionism say that Israeli society has steadily become much more and more deeply racist against non-Jews in the Middle East and Arab world. In fact, there is a popular slogan about Israeli Jews as a society: “They learned from the Nazis.”
(Actually, this is also factually true, as the Israeli military once studied Nazi methods in militarily uprooting Jews from the Warsaw ghetto.)
Many Jews are Zionists because they are Jews (from the time many of them were children, many of them were propagandized by Israel’s founders and other older Zionists too); but some Jews (the ones you never hear about in our media) are *anti*-Zionists *especially* because they are Jews: they believe that just as others shouldn’t oppressed Jews (and Jews are no longer oppressed, especially, in the Western world, but not even in Middle Eastern countries where Jews still live — even in Iran), that Jews shouldn’t oppress others! It was Albert Einstein who said, “It would be my greatest sadness to see Jews do to Arabs *much* of what Nazis did to Jews.” Einstein also said, “If we are not able to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the [Palestinian] Arabs, then we have learned *nothing* in our two thousand years of suffering, and deserve all which will befall us.”
(There is the true story of an early European Zionist Jew who went on his first trip to historic Palestine. He returned and said, “I have seen ‘the bride’ [historic Palestine]; she is beautiful! But, alas, she belongs to another man [the Palestinian Arabs].”)
Everyone in the Middle Eastern and Muslim world clearly understands the white/Western hypocrisy and gross double standards perpetrated by politically Zionist European/Western Jews in the past 75-years of the largely European Jewish colonization of Palestine. Even Gandhi called political Zionism, “a crime against humanity”. Thus, Israel itself is an act of Zionist mass terrorism and Israel itself is a crime against humanity: literally hundreds of Palestinian villages and towns were razed to the ground after the Palestinians were driven off or wholesale massacred (as in the then Palestinian town of Deir Yassin, where Palestinian men, women and children were first forced-paraded around and then massacred) by invading European Zionist Jewish militia.
How can someone morally or logically speak of “A Jewish State” — which means an *ideologically* and racistly European Jewish(-supremacist) state, the parallel of declaring a “White Christian State” (which is what the Nazis or the KKK wanted) anywhere else, But, in Israel, “A Jewish State” in someone *else’s* land. This, where (even after all the ethnic cleansing against the Palestinian people and the huge influx of a foreign Jewish replacement population over the past more than a century) about half, or more, of the population of historic Palestine is still native non-Jewish in a land (historic Palestine) that was an overwhelmingly Arab (Muslim, Christian, Druze, other and secular) land! Most Zionist Jews (and certainly all Israeli and white Western academic historians) know this, but they just don’t care — because they’re white European/Western *RACISTS*!
So, European Jews invade historic Palestine — the middle of the Middle East — and complain and are constantly preoccupied about “too many Arabs(!!)”, just as many non-Jewish Europeans/whites (and especially the Nazis) once used to complain and be constantly preoccupied about “too many Jews”! European Jews went to historic Palestine, drove off as many of the native people (the *Palestinians*) as the Zionists could (native Palestinian Jews were but a small fraction of the native population and they *never* called for an ideologically “Jewish State”), politically and economically disenfranchised the native people (Zionist European Jews were even racist against *non-European* Jews), otherwise subjugated the native people, and then acted all “perplexed” that the native people didn’t/don’t like it! (This kind of reminds me of that line where a kid brutally murders his parents and, when caught, then throws himself upon the mercy of the court because he’s an orphan!)
Zionist Jews and white Westerners call the native resistance to the European Jewish militarized invasion, systematic disenfranchisement, and Jewish settler-colonization, “anti-Semitism”! And Israeli/Zionist Jews believe that truly anti-racist people who oppose even Jewish racist nationalism *too* (here virulent anti-Palestinian racism) oppose Jewish racism (the way Zionist Jews feel) “because we’re Jews!”
But, the Palestinians are far more Semitic than European/Western Jews who’ve been intermixing in Europe for 2,000 years! And who’s ever heard of some people claiming another people’s land because the former supposedly lived there 2,000 years ago (what if we all tried to reverse 2,000 years of human migration) or because 3,000 (or 5,000, depending on from where you start counting) years ago, supposedly “God” promised some people today another (especially, native) people’s land? *NO PEOPLE* have the moral right to “go back” — across thousands of miles of oceans and seas to entirely another continent — to supposedly “reclaim” the land of their, especially, *ancient* religious ancestors: *NO ONE*. If Zionist Jews tried that argument and excuse with any other people, but people with the military power to repell such Zionist, those other people would just blurt out and howl out in utter, sheer laughter right in the Zionists faces — and the Zionists would be immediately recognized for the *JEWISH RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST* nnnutcases that they are!
(Maybe the European decendents of the Vikings could “morally” *claim* “the right” to the southeast coast of Canada and the northeast coast of the U.S., and a religio-ethnic “Viking-supremacist state” there, because the Viking decendent’s were once there and their “God”/deity promised *them* it 3,000, or 5,000, years ago and they’ve “come back” for “what’s *theirs*”! The Zionist claim to Palestine really makes about as much intellectual and moral sense. The Zionist claim to historic Palestine is *literally* worse than Medieval!!)
But, what people in the world would willingly accept their land/country militarily invaded by a foreign population intent on disenfranchising and displacing the native population of that land, and then (the foreign population) offering to give a small part of that land/country back. This could only be perpetrated at the barrel of a gun. And, in fact, Israel was incepted by the European Jewish terrorism of the Jewish Irgun and Stern gangs (British officials and historians *could* tell you about those Jewish former terrorist gangs), often in direct/indirect association with the Jewish Hagannah militia. This is ironic for an Israel that says that, “We/Israel will not negotiate with terrorists.” But, historic Palestine was not invaded and colonized nonviolently by foreign Zionist Jews; so, the Palestinian people (no matter how outgunned) have no obligation to resist nonviolently.
But, most Jews and other white Westerners *overlook* this moral hypocrisy and gross double standard so matter-of-factly that such statements by Netanyahu, his Israeli predecessors (including the verbally, duplicitously ‘pious’ Golda Meir), and other politically Zionist Jews (like the verbally, duplicitously ‘pious’, duplicitously softspoken, and duplicitously, ever-so-visually expressive Elie Wiesel) that they are absolutely oblivious to the wanton racism and wantonly racist statements perpetratrated against the native population: the Palestinian people. It’s ‘cowboys and Indians’ all over again, with Jews being the new ‘cowboys’ and Palestinians being the new ‘Indians’ all over again. But, Zionist Jews may be *HISTORY’S GREATEST HYPOCRITES*, with, once again, a European people saying that they were brutally oppressed back home (in Europe), but, once again, going out to the non-European world toting the Bible and the Gun and, in turn, brutally oppressing others.
A whole religious and historical mythology (complete with the same kind of racist anthropological digs that the Nazis practiced, but in Israel Jewish “anthropologists” smashing through anything that is not Jewish) has been spun to support Israel and to blame Israel’s/Zionists’ *victims* — and actually mythology that parallels the mythology spun by the Nazis against Jews!: especially the revival of a “glorrrious ancient kingdom” based on blood, and requiring steadily more ‘labensraum’. This Zionist mythology has become state mythology not only in Israel, but in the U.S. (and, of course, in our news media) too! But war — especially by those who purposely invade others or otherwise start them — is all about *LYING* and, then soon, victor’s mythology.
This is reinforced by the constant Western/Jewish documentaries, films, plays, ever-newest “latest discoveries”, etc., about the Nazis and the Jewish holocaust (as though the Nazis didn’t try to exterminate other entire peoples too), played out in Western media, used by Zionist Jews as ‘war propaganda’ — the exploitation of the Jewish holocaust and its mass Jewish suffering — against the Palestinian people. This Zionist self-exploitation of Jewish history was — even through right-wing political Zionism, often represented through another of several historical forms of *Jewish*, anti-Palestinian, fascist figures — started long before Nazi rule.
But when many Armenians went to historic Palestine to escape their brutal oppression and genocide, they didn’t go there to take the place over — and they were *welcomed* by the Palestinian Arabs. And, Arabs/Muslims living in Nazi era France (reference online, The “Mosques of Paris”), and Arabs in North Africa and other parts of the Arab world, even protected many Jews from the Nazis: where is *that* story in Western documentaries and films. Jews lived peacefully with the Arabs [as historically before in Arab Spain] until Zionism later came along. So much for the thanks and appreciation from Zionist Jews.
It’s European *Christians* with the long history of persecuting European Jews — so why didn’t European *Christians* themselves make atonement and give European Jews land for “A Jewish State” in *EUROPE* (or in the U.S., Canada, or Australia, for that matter, where there’s *lots* of empty land, especially in the deserts or wilderness, since we now claim to love Jews so much and want to protect them).
But, *where* are the regular documentaries about what white-America did right in *this* country to the Native Americans, the black slaves, the Asians, and the Latinos in the U.S.?: genocides and crimes against humanity perpetrated by *THIS* country. The U.S. didn’t perpetrate the European Jewish holocaust! Why not every form of American media employed about the holocaust that the *U.S.* perpetrated — including with historical Jewish-American complicity (traders, merchants, market-holders, insurers, etc.) in the black slave trade?
Anyone in the European West who points out such gross Zionist hypocrisy is, if possible, driven out of their jobs and/or otherwise economically attacked by Zionist Jews (recently in Oakland, California, the city museum, The Oakland Museum, was economically threatened by Zionist Jews into not showing a Palestinian children’s art exhibit!) — and thus politicians, journalists, academics and, especially, other people with institutional status are collectivley kept deeply afraid by the Israel lobby: they (including Charlie Rose, who, like other political discussion shows, hosts people, described as “experts”, who are never, under the supposed journalistic ethic of full disclosure, disclosed as Zionist Jews and ‘past’/present members of the Israel lobby; and when Martin Indyk was once described that way, Indyk got in a big huff) very well know the price that will be paid by others (including moral, *anti*-Zionist Jews) criticizing Israel, any of its leaders, and, especially, political Zionism.
Zionists in the West are the new political masters (the new ‘Paroah’, so to speak) and the rest of us are the new political slaves. Any of us in the West who can see the truth, despite Netanyahu’s and his political predecessors’ glib PR words, are collectively held hostage to this hypocrisy:
where THE TRUTH ITSELF IS CALLED, AND SMEARED AS, “ANTI-SEMITIC”.
JohnGelles 09/28/2011 01:20 AM Report
Do you make an argument for two states or one?
How have you viewed the war between Iraq and Iran?
Before he was deposed and killed, Saddam Hussein described Jews and Persians as the equal of flies. Only his own clan was human.
Your case against whites ignores the history of race and nations on earth. That history is one of war and counter-war, from on generation to another.
Our choices are few: support Israel, Palestine or both in a two-state solution.
Your lack of support for Israel is inexcusable to me. I support the two state solution because it the most fair to the most people.
world watcher 09/28/2011 04:42 AM Report
JohnGelles 09/28/2011 01:20 AM:
“Your lack of support for Israel is inexcusable to me.”
Well, I don’t use racists, i.e. you, as the gold standard in human beings, so I don’t particularly care what is “inexcusable” to you.
I no more support an ideologically Jewish _NA_tiönalist _ZI_önist state than I would have supported the original NAZI state.
I DON’T SUPPORT IDEOLOGICALLY RACIST, ETHNIC-SUPREMACIST STATES — and unlike most American/Western whites, EVEN IF THAT STATE IS A *JEWISH*-SUPREMACIST STATE.
As I said in my post below (09/27/2011 06:35 PM), I support secular democratic states with absolutely true, national, political, legal, and social equality, regardless of race, ethnicity or religion: what Jews demand in any other country, especially in the European West. In Israel/Palestine, Zionist Jews demand a racially ideological, semi-religio-ethnic, *Jewish* [instead of Christian] white-supremacist settler-colonial state — inherently not a democracy. And Israel itself, after all the huge, mass invasion of *foreign* Jews, is still 20% Palestinian; while historic Palestine as a whole, ‘greater Israel’, after all the invasion of foreign Jews, is still just over 50% Palestinians.
“I support the two state solution because it the most fair to the most people.”
Yeah, “most fair” to the Zionist Jews — and, after all their mass invasion, they *still* probably aren’t the majority in historic Palestine. But, I support whatever the indigenous people, the Palestinian people, are able to freely decide. But, how is a trifurcated/quadrifurcated bantustans state on only the worst parts of 10-15% of the remaining land of historic Palestine, THE MORE THAN HALF-CENTURY LONG CONTINUATION OF APARTHEID ISRAEL, fair to the Palestinian people — except in the eyes of white, Zionist Jewish racists like you, JohnGelles. This is not the ‘solution’ — a set of bantustans state for the native people — that black South Africans, or the world, supported for then apartheid South Africa.
Why not support a state that is fair to *EVERYONE*? — SO I MORALLY SUPPORT A SECULAR, DEMOCRATIC (for *everyone*), _RE-UNIFIED_ HISTORIC PALESTINE — not so incidentally, what the PLO always called for (the PLO was even willing to *share* a re-unified secular democratic state with equal rights for everyone with the Jews already there) — except that, since you are a racist Zionist Jew, JohnGelles, that is not what you, Zionists, ever want/ed in Palestine.
“Your case against whites ignores the history of race and nations on earth. That history is one of war and counter-war, from one generation to another.”
So, if Zionist Jews act just like any other ideological state racists, even and especially in practice, with many parallels similar to the Nazis (again, reference online, “20 Parallels Between Zionism and Nazism”), then what makes Zionist Jews supposedly “The Chosen People”? Then what’s their beef with the Nazis? What makes Zionist Jews morally any better than the Nazis? Zionism is just another in history’s tragic series of megalomaniacal racist ideologies and racist people.
In fact, _NA_tionalist _ZI_önist Jews are not only HISTORY’S MOST HYPÖCRITICAL RACISTS, but also HISTORY’S MOST NARCISSISTIC RACISTS.
“…Saddam Hussein …, … Iraq…, … Iran …”
What does that have to do with foreign (largely European/Western) Zionist Jews brutal settler-colonization of historic Palestine and their ruthless dispossession, systematic disenfranchisement, and brutal oppression of the Palestinian people — oppression that started long before Saddam Hussein (a dictator whom the U.S. once supported and once armed, with even leading U.S. politicians heartily shaking paws with Saddam) or the war between Iraq and Iran? — except in the twisted mind of some Zionist Jewish racist.
But, again, you, JohnGelles are a racist Zionist Jew — and *no* compelling moral or historical arguments will ever impress a racist not to be a racist, BECAUSE RACISTS (INCLUDING ZIONIST JEWISH RACISTS) WANT WHATEVER RACISTS WANT (and in Palestine, Zionist Jewish racists want another people’s –the native, the Paletinian, people’s– land): you, JohnGelles will just come up with more pretexts (even if they are *irrelevant*) to try to justify that.
In fact, Zionists don’t even know how *not* to think and talk like racists.
Yes, *BEHOLLLD* “THE CHOSEN PEOPLE”…!!
doo dah 09/28/2011 08:09 AM Report
To the ‘worldwatcher’
My, aren’t you a bold ‘Accuser’, and ‘all knower of history’.? I did not suggest the answer to the Israeli honky jews was to kill off all Palestinian arab muslims based on race. No I did not suggest that at all; don’t misconstrue my words, ‘punky’.
Further, I would never condone the philosophy of the zionists, they are just more Asshole Radicals (think they Know everything) interfering with the progress of good hard working people.
Speaking of good hard working people, ‘Mark Twain’ was a real people, and he did go there, and he did say something to that effect (I don’t remember the exact quote)(forgive me). And I based my barometer of progress (hard work) on pretty much the progress of all muslim arabia. I mean, what the hell do they do?! If your answer is to go back 2000 years and your Mediterranean triple nazi psycho babble. Then go right ahead; it amoozes me.
Mr_Tull 09/28/2011 09:07 AM Report
Netanyahu points to the one reason why we still don’t have peace in the ME – the arab refusal to accept the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. Once the arabs accept this idea, then even the most unsurmountable obstacles (Jerusalem, refugees) will be easily resolved. And why not accept it? Jews have the right to self determination just like any other nation on this earth. Denying this right is to single out the Jews as the only nation on earth not deserving this most fundamental of national rights. And if that isn’t racism, I don’t know what is.
If people hold the ‘right of return’ as a truism, then they should have no problem accepting the Jews’ return to their homeland.
worldwatcher 09/28/2011 01:45 PM Report
Mr_Tull 09/28/2011 09:07 AM:
“Jews have the right to self determination just like any other nation on this earth. Denying this right is to single out the Jews as the only nation on earth not deserving this most fundamental of national rights.”
“A JEWISH STATE” IS A *RACIST* ZIONIST CONSTRUCT:
That’s why the Palestinian people won’t accept it. Furthermore, as I have pointed out in my previous posts, even after well over a half-century of largely European Jewish invasion, Israel itself is still 20% Palestinian and “Greater Israel” is still just over 50% Palestinian — originally from an overwhelmingly Palestinian land (native Palestinian Jews were a very small fraction of that population and *never* called for “A Jewish/Zionist State”. Thus, even European countries — which forced the Palestinian people to pay for *European* crimes — that recognize the state of Israel (a European and European Jewish moral crime forced on the Palestinian people), *refuse* to recognize Israel as, exclusively, “A Jewish State”.
Self-determination appropriately takes place in one’s own land, not in someone else’s land. GANDHI POINTED THIS OUT AND COVERED THIS IN HIS STATEMENT *OPPOSING* ZIONISM: “The Jews of Palestine, 1938″.
Jews, in spite of what Zionists claim (actually it’s a *racist* claim), are *not* a so-called “unique” people: Jews — which also includes many cultural, religious and ethnic *converts* (SO, IF I CONVERTED TO JUDAISM, ACCORDING TO ISRAEL/ZIONISTS, I’D HAVE A ‘RIGHT’ TO GO STEAL PALESTINIAN LAND TOO) — constitute numerous and various religio-ethnic groups of different native nationalities, in different native countries, different colors, different native languages, different native cultural customs, different native foods (no, pita bread, falafel, humus and couscous were not the native food of European Jews, although European Zionist Jews have tried to steal Arab cuisine, along with Palestinian land, as their own), different native attire, different native music (although Zionist Jews have tried to steal Arab music as well, along with Palestinian land, as their own), etc., in various parts of the world — thus, Jews, a variety of ethnicities all over the world, do *not* a single “nation” (any more than Christians inherently do) and certainly do not inherently constitute a “nation-state”.
** In fact, Israeli history professor, Shlomo Sands (go check out his book on Amazon), says that European Jews aren’t even descendents of the ancient Hebrews! **
AND, IN FACT, NOT EVEN ALL JEWS AGREE — AND EVEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS FAR FROM CONSISTENT — ON *WHO* IS — OR EVEN *WHEN* THEY ARE OR SOMEONE IS — “JEWISH”: THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS BY DIFFERENT JEWS AND DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS OF JUDAISM.
Thus, European/Western Jews have no “right to return” to a land that is not their own — and certainly not because their *ancient* religious ancestors — who weren’t even the first or only inhabitants — lived in — and had temporary political control of — *parts* of Palestine some 2,000 years ago. If that were right, then the *Italians* (and, by extension, all European Christians) could go claim Palestine too, because Palestine is the original home of Christianity and the Romans were once in temporary political control of Palestine.
And I also covered this in my first post below: “BENJAMIN NETANYAHU’S VERBAL DUPLICITY” (worldwatcher 09/27/2011 06:35 PM):
“But, the Palestinians are far more Semitic than European/Western Jews who’ve been intermixing in Europe for 2,000 years! And who’s ever heard of some people claiming another people’s land because the former supposedly lived there 2,000 years ago (what if we all tried to reverse 2,000 years of human migration) or because 3,000 (or 5,000, depending on from where you start counting) years ago, supposedly “God” promised some people today another (especially, native) people’s land? *NO PEOPLE* have the moral right to “go back” — across thousands of miles of oceans and seas to entirely another continent — to supposedly “reclaim” the land of their, especially, *ancient* religious ancestors: *NO ONE*. If Zionist Jews tried that argument and excuse with any other people, but people with the military power to repell such Zionist, those other people would just blurt out and howl out in utter, sheer laughter right in the Zionists faces — and the Zionists would be immediately recognized for the *JEWISH RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST* nnnutcases that they are!”
In fact, it was European *Zionist* Jews who, ironically, agreed with Hitler — IN ITSELF A *RACIST* CONSTRUCT — that Jews, worldwide, constitute an inherently distinct (Zionists call this a “unique”) form of human being, a different “race”, unassimilable into normal human society — and thus, Zionist Jews claim, they need their own *separate* land away from other people, evidently even if it is on stolen land. Now, how any Jews, who’ve had their homes stolen so often in history, could go steal someone else’s homes, is truly *hypocritical*. So, it is, in fact, especially European Zionist Jews who have singled themselves out. Furthermore, Zionist Jews even once collaborated with the Nazis!: see Lenni Brenner’s (Jewish, anti-Zionist, and perhaps the world’s foremost historian on the history of Zionism) book: “51 Documents: Zionists Collaboration with the Nazis” (check that out at Amazon).
But, you, Mr_Tull, are such a racist Zionist Jew, like most of them, that you can’t even bring yourself to say *Palestinian* — and this represents Zionist Jews’ attempt — of Hitlerian proportions — to even deny the Palestinian people their very peoplehood and culture!
world watcher 09/28/2011 02:09 PM Report
doodah 09/28/2011 08:09 AM:
“…I would never condone the philosophy of the zionists…”
Then support Palestinian human rights, justice and reparations for the Palestinian people, and the decolonization of Zionism from historic Palestine and Palestinian land.
worldwatcher 09/28/2011 02:30 PM Report
Harryj 09/28/2011 04:58 AM:
“Ahamedinjad is surounded by American troops to the West in Iraq and to the East in Afghanistan.”
If after *10 years* of war — the U.S.’s — the world’s foremost military superpower’s — longest war in U.S. history — the Afghan resistance (yet another people in “pajamas & sandals”) is still giving the U.S. a good run — indeed, “shocking & awing” U.S. troops on the ground there — and the Iraqi resistance is still striking out at and maiming or killing U.S. troops, imagine what the *Iranians* could do with their very modern military (and especially when Iran develops a nuclear capability) with much more sophisticated weapons that the Afghan and the Iraqi resistances don’t have), a people (Iranians) who would be *extremely* dedicated at opposing a U.S. attack/invasion on their land, and in a very mountainous country that the Iranians know best.
Once upon a time the U.S. thought that Vietnamm would be a walk-over too. Not everyone is afraid everytime the U.S. rattles its sabres. And, unlike the U.S., Iran has never invaded a foreign country.
robdverity 09/28/2011 03:48 PM Report
MANKIND + ISRAEL –> NUCLEAR WINTER!
MANKIND – ISRAEL –> COSMOS AND BEYOND
robdverity 09/28/2011 05:25 PM Report
Re my comment below, I am flattered that it was deleted below. Validates the “vision” is poignant – at least to someone. Also that the Zionist will resort to Nazism and constitutional tramping at the slightest whim.
Bibbi verified the Nuclear Winter re Israel open consideration of taking out Iran’s nukes unilaterally.
rtb 09/28/2011 05:47 PM Report
The jews have a history of unique thinking except when it comes to their own state where they remain retarded.
PolicyScanner 09/28/2011 07:10 PM Report
CHARLIE ROSE …. One question
You had 50 minutes to drill on the subject of expanding settlements throughout the West Bank, the greatest obstacle to peace in the area. Why did you not spend more than a minute on this topic? Were you constrained by some list of preconditions? You should have told us outright that the subject of settlements was going to be off the table.
I am very disappointed.
doodah 09/28/2011 09:22 PM Report
@ worldwatcher 09/28/2011 02:09 PM
worldwatcher the worlddictator says, “GOOD. Then support Palestinian human rights, justice and reparations for the Palestinian people, and the decolonization of Zionism from historic Palestine and Palestinian land.”
My answer – Oh, but I do I do. Just as I support ALL human rights, justice and reparations for ALL people. Including for the people (native Americans) whose land I now walk upon that my ancestors so shamelessly took from them not so many moons ago. I know that a very small percentage of my blood runs the same as those native Americans but that’s not enough to lay original exclusive claim to the land; even so I still occupy this land and nothing I can do about it, except that I hope their Casinos can turn healthy Profit and in so doing Harvest for our coming Thanksgiving; For if I didn’t, what kind of Hypocrite would I be, crying over the abhorred actions of the Irish Catholic putting bombs in toys and blowing up innocent children of their Protestant neighbors in the name of self-righteous, Joseph McCarthyism religion.?. What kind of Hypocrite? I do say.
worldwatcher 09/28/2011 09:33 PM Report
rtb 09/28/2011 05:47 PM:
“The jews have a history of unique thinking except when it comes to their own state where they remain retarded.”
It’s because Zionist Jews, like many European colonizers before in the non-European world, think that they are “racially” *better* people than and, indeed, *superior* human beings to non-Europeans. And, to this day, most Israeli/Zionist Jews — and especially THE DEEPLY, DEEPLY, DEEPLY RACIST JEWISH FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIOUS NUTS (the very many of them never shown on American/Western TV) — literally don’t even regard the Palestinian people as human beings at all! It’s like when Native Americans (or for that matter European Jews themselves) were literally not regarded as human beings, so it once was not considered “murder” to murder one, because, according to the law way back then, only a “human being” could be “murderd”.
(I pointed out before that Zionist European Jews were even *very* racist against *non-European* Jews, especially those from North Africa, but also even the very small percentage of indigenous Palestinian Jews, and treated them only a little better than the Palestinians. This so, while European Zionist leaders still wanted non-European Jews — who were often politically manipulated into going to Israel or even often, when political manipulation didn’t work, scared out of their respective Arab countries by Israeli agents posing as threatening Arab terrorists — to increase the numbers of Israeli soldiers in the military and to increase the balance of Jews, where any kind of Jew will do, in Israel/Palestine against the numbers of Palestinians.
Non-European Jews in Israel were put in the worst areas and European Jews not only looked down on non-European Jews, but certainly didn’t want their daughters or sons to marry one. If Palestinians were actually treated like Euro-Americans treated Native Americans, then European Jews treated non-European Jews like they were black — or, actually, only a little bit better than black Jews are treated, and, as you can imagine, European Jews *reallly* don’t want their daughters or sons to marry *black* Jews.)
Indeed, European Zionist Jews regard Palestinians/Arabs as *untermenschen* and regard Palestinians in particular as the niggers, so to speak, of Israel and ‘Greater Israel’. Zionist Jews — who’s families had never set foot in historic Palestine — literally believe that they have more of a right to historic Palestine than the native Palestinians themselves.
That European Jews could be generally regarded as rather intelligent people, yet steadfastly (as rtb puts it) “remain retarded” when it comes to Israel/Palestine is not exceptional: Nazi Germany was one of the most academically, scientifically, technologically, and culturally advanced countries in the world, and so was white South Africa. Like Israeli Jews, Nazi Germans would go from the symphony, the opera, or the theater play one night, and then go off and brutally oppress or kill their “despised” unwanted people — their “untermenschen” — the very next day. The very fact that Nazis or _NA_tionalist _ZI_onists (and remember, Zionism began *well before* the Nazis came to power) regarded themselves as superior human beings made it _all the more easy_ for them to respectively oppress or kill people they regarded as inferior and, indeed, disregard them as even being human beings — even Zionist Jews, themselves having been once brutally oppressed in *parts* of Europe.
SO, *THAT’S* THE ANSWER TO THE APPARENT ‘MYSTERY’ AND IRONY OF EUROPEAN ZIONIST JEWISH RACISM AND BEING RACISTLY “RETARDED” AGAINST THE PALESTINIAN (AND EVEN OTHER NON-EUROPEAN) PEOPLE (AND ALSO ESPECIALLY AGAINST BLACK AFRICANS).
(Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon once exclaimed about black Africans, “What can people who descended from *trees* teach us about civilization!”)
But, European Jews *weren’t* always and only history’s worst victims in Europe: sometimes, and variably at different times and places, European Jews fared *much* better than other European minorities, or on a par with non-Jews, often they were highly educated professionals, often they were the world’s leading scientists, or even world-famous psychologists or doctors, one was even a prime minister of Britain in the *1800′s*, and Jews in America certainly fared *MUCH* better than other minorities, sometimes they fared about the same, while other times they fared worse, and European Jews certainly weren’t the Nazis only persecuted or genocided victims, and today in the West they have the power to get people fired from their jobs for criticizing Israel or Zionism. Furthermore, it is *much safer* for an American politician, or an American political discussion show host like Charlie Rose, to criticize an American president than an Israeli politician or *any* Zionist Jew (even those Jews almost regularly caught commiting *ESPIONAGE* for Israel in the United States)! And an Israeli prime minister gets more standing ovations by American Congresspeople right in the U.S. Congress than an American president!
Now Zionist Jews — “The Chosen People” — exhibit a particularly arrogant (there is the joke among *Jews* that the words “excuse me” *doesn’t exist* among Israeli Jews, who other *Jews* call the most pushy people on earth) and obnoxious psychological syndrome as…
THE WORLD’S MOST *NARCISSISTIC* RACISTS.